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Grateful Dead Live at Madison Square Garden on 1983-10-11


Topics Live concert


Wang Dang Doodle-> Jack Straw, Loser, Me & My Uncle-> Mexicali Blues, Bird Song, Hell In A Bucket-> Day Job China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, I Need A Miracle-> Bertha-> China Doll-> Drums-> Saint Stephen-> Throwing Stones-> Touch Of Gray, E: Johnny B. Goode


Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Date October 11, 1983
Venue Madison Square Garden
Location New York City, NY

Source Soundboard
Lineage SBD > Cassette Master > Dat x 2 > CDR > SHN
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Notes

Sbd > Cassette Master > Dat x 2 > CDR > SHN; plus AUD patches from Jeff Silberman Senn source (see info file); to etree via Bob Harrell

Reviews

Reviewer: 2dose - - October 24, 2012
Subject: Number 10
I saw this show 2 days after the Richmond Coliseum show and didn't even hear any rumours regarding a St. Stephen being rehearsed at Greensboro or them going to break it out at MSG. Richmond was on a Saturday and I was still recuperating from it all the way up this show which was on the Monday that followed.It's amazing how the excessive consumption of acid,shrooms,blow,beer and weed could fuck you up if you mix them all continiously for a whole weekend nonstop.How we survived through it all and drove 8 hours up I95 to NY still amazes me. This was my tenth show.Great version of Bird Song. I love the way Jerry and Bobby play on it while Phil keeps himself in a nice mellow groove throught the song. Brent's tickeling his keys at just right moments too. Awesome China-Rider had the whole place jumping up and down. Nice jam into China Doll going into Drumz but when they busted out the Saint after Drumz the whole place was ecstatic,standing up quickly,(most of the place was sitting down during drumz) fists pumping in the air. Everybody was screaming "Yes I Can!!!" when the boys asked "Can You Answer?" That moment still stands out in my mind as one of the greatest things I ever witnessed at a MSG Dead show.The atmosphere was electricfying. I got a nice picture of Phil singing into Bobby's microphone during St. Stephen and I think it's that moment mentioned above. I too must add my 2 cents here regarding Day Job. I never liked the song back in the day. More so because of my rebellious mindset during the 80's and what the words dayjob meant to me back then. Joan Biaz said it right about us being the children of the 80's. Anyways. It's only now in my later years that I can appreciate it for what it is, another tune that Jerry showed his talents on. If we only knew the ride was going to end in less than a dozen years. 3 for the recording (Bobby is almost drowned in the mix) and a 4 for the performance.I'd like to give it 3.5 but 4 stars it is.Enough said.
Reviewer: Rich D - - February 15, 2012
Subject: Great show...
This must have been a great show to see. But I will say that the Wang dang does sound a little off-key to me - something's not right. Check-out the one a couple nights later in Hartford where they nail-it!

I was at the Hartford shows right after these and it's clear if you listen to both that the Hartford St. Stephen is more on (flawless actually) - the whole second set is flawless. The playin-china doll is unbelievable.

And don't get me wrong, I'm an avid MSG/Ranger fan!
Reviewer: DTShanghai - - January 12, 2012
Subject: Stephen
Wow I had been peaking on a tab during space when this came out... I swear I couldn't figure out what song it was until they actually started singing! All I knew was that I recognized the song but couldn't put a name on it. Meanwhile everyone around me (back of the floor) was going absolutely APESHIT! Once it hit me I simply couldn't believe my own ears. Unreal. What a great memory :-)
Reviewer: Slarti - - June 21, 2011
Subject: Wang Dang huh?
Before the song starts on the sbd you can hear someone telling "Bobby Bobby... Relax" Then the song starts and his singing sounds like he'd rather be at the dentist or something! The rest follows, not sure if its wrong key, timing or what it is, but it aint right thats for sure! Beyond that, Fall '83 was the tour to be on.
Reviewer: Ficus - - May 16, 2011
Subject: Fall tour '83
I started going to shows in 84, and first started to get boots around the end of 84. This was probably the first 83 tape I ever got. I figured than that the reason it was being circulated was mostly for the excellent C>R and for the 1st half of the 2nd set. This was before I knew of the band's St. Stephen hiatus. This show stands on its own even without the bustout. Great Chicarider here and I love the Bertha followed by a jam and then into a great China doll. Excellent energy, very good tour.

4 stars, up to 4.5 for the liftoff after space.
Reviewer: Brooklyn Peach - - February 12, 2011
Subject: The Stephen: some context
I was there. We heard they had sound checked the Stephen before the show at Greensboro, and were kind of expecting it, though really without much hope, for that night at Greensboro. We were dancing in the hall when the opening notes sounded, and as people realized what they were playing, everyone began to scream like crazy, so loud I couldn't hear the music at all for a few seconds. The reaction, mine included, was insane. They'd been teasing us with it all summer, and it was like finally, well, you know what it was like...I read a post from someone near the front, and he said it looked like the band was actually frightened by the intensity of the crowds reaction. But then, it had been quite a year, and more was to come (Lake Placid). There were a lot of us who wanted them to play St. Stephen. I heard a friend had even passed Jerry a note at Poplar fields in Chicago earlier that year asking would they please play St Stephen. That's how desperate we'd become.
Reviewer: boscomorgan - - October 25, 2010
Subject: A fall night at 33rd+7th
Let me start out by saying that yeah St.Stephen was cool actually very cool but it is the rest of the show that makes it great.Right of the bat a killer cold rain and it only gets better.The band was taking their time and just getting in the grooove they worked out all the songs they played this night.The show the next night had a ton of energy left over from the previous night.The fall tour of '82 the band stopped in at the garden and yes again they pulled out some magicThe playin'>crazy fingers that started the show was pretty freaking heavyWell i guess what i am getting at is the band loved New York City and to add to the magic that went on during the show it was coming out that things got waaaaayyyyy strange.and i gotta tell ya i really,really miss those days.
Reviewer: FrankPizz - - September 22, 2010
Subject: thanks
Thanks for bringing back this memory with a degree of clarity: I got separated from my friends during Space and had a moment of panic right around the time the band struck the opening chords of St. Stephen. I was swept up immediately in the rapture, only concerned about my friends because I wished they were there with me at this moment. My eyes turned to the fellow deadhead next to me, who smiled broadly, lifted his arms from his side, and handed me the biggest bowl of h*s*is* that I'd ever seen. We enjoyed the song together and danced in different directions later on. Wherever you are dude, thanks for the buzz!
Reviewer: p pete - - September 21, 2010
Subject: Unforgettable moment
I was at this show. Managed to get near the stage for the second set. I remember loving the China/Rider, the China Doll and the jam after China Doll. I remember hearing the opening chords of St. Stephen and thinking “no they are just teasing us”. But they weren’t. I have never experienced anything like it at a concert. The hair on the back of my head stood up and I got a headrush. The audience was enraptured and filed with jubilation. It felt like all of Madison Square Garden smiled at the same time.
Reviewer: BIG_R - - June 23, 2010
Subject: 10-11-83
Sweet! Good sound. The Jay Ashley sounds better though.
Reviewer: verylazylightning - - August 27, 2009
Subject: Just a Fat, Fat Show...... And a Fine Saint
I'm always deeply suspicious when the Dead break out an old crowd-pleaser after several years absence
from the roster, because many people in attendance
tend to get hyper-positive about the performance simply for sentimental reasons or because they
were "there".
And I'm never afraid to pan a bad performance.
Given that,I'd say this is a completely acceptable performance of St. Stephen with a character and charm all its own. Especially, check out Bobby in the first half of the song.
Just another great show discovered after thirty
years' of constantly listening to the boys;-) Will
the surprises never end?
Reviewer: Sedula - - August 26, 2009
Subject: Wand Dang Doodle-Jerry in wrong Key
Too the idiot who says below that Jerry wasn't in the right key for Wang Dang I say you know nothing. I've played guitar professionally for 35 years and he is in the correct key. It may be sloppy, but it would sound much different if Jerry were in a different key. Where do people like this fool come from?? I certainly hope this idiot doesn't play an instrument 'cause its clear he has no ear for music!
Reviewer: jamiejoon - - August 26, 2009
Subject: Epic, of course...
Of course it was a sick show...a magical and unforgettable night for those lucky people there. Over the years this St. Stephen has grown on me, the more I miss Jerry, and the more I wish I could just see ANY grateful dead show...to have seen this one, wow! Yippee! Those lucky dogs. Love it.
Reviewer: The TRUE Bucky - - July 24, 2009
Subject: Jerry's dealer?
Jerry's dealer ALWAYS knows, lol....

I heard on the train down from CT that they soundchecked St Stephen in Greensboro I think, or Richmond (the previous show) but hadn't played it & "were going to play it tonight". "Yeah, Ok" I said & didn't give it another thought until that space where the St Stephen teases just go on & on - insufferably on. at the time while waiting for them to finally break it out.
First set is no big deal. Second set was another matter. Hot China > Rider; Solid rockin' Miracle > Bertha after a 3 year period of rarely being played on the East Coast. The Jam out of Bertha has a great 'Tubular Bells' (theme from the Exorcist) sound to it & just when you think they might've done the drums, China Doll comes along after a 2 year absense on the East Coast. A very melodic version, more upbeat & less dramatic than the 1980-81 post-drums version, but wwith a huge extended hynotic jam out into the drums - just fantastic.

St Strephen bad? I guess you weren't there and probably never saw it live......

Oh, yeah to finish the St Stephen story.....

I heard years later that they indeed had soundchecked St Stephen in Hampton the previous show & that the reason they did not play it was that Jerry got sickj in the Second Set. I would tend to believe this as they only did two songs that night post-drums & both Bob selections (NFA > Sugar Mag), which was very odd for post 1980.

Finally, I don't know how the rumor ever got started, but I was at both this show & Hartford 10/15/83 where they do the other St Stephen & thisa show & St Stephen blow that night away.
Reviewer: gordonlesh - - August 28, 2008
Subject: Philll
Phil was on this night. Check out the Jack Straw bombs.
Reviewer: Harlemcracker - - May 5, 2008
Subject: Yes, I WAS there
Friends...
I was there. I Have NEVER -and this includes Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd performing The Wall and The
Rolling Stones in their heydays-EVER heard a crowd as berzerk as when they were coming out of the space into St. Stephen - Yes, agreed probably not the greatest version ever, but hands down the most electric atmosphere ever - It made me laugh and laugh and laugh....a Treasured memory
Reviewer: Chris U. - - January 2, 2008
Subject: Bird Song
A sweetacular somewhat speedy jam featuring some fraggled Bobby riffage and tasteful Brent fillage. Sadly, no "encore" instrumental here after the lyric reprise, like they did in the old days ...

The St. Stephen here is perfectly fine, far better than the plodding seventies versions, but far worse than anything from 68 (what isn't?).

The early arrangements of Throwing Stones are disturbing. Sort of a Saint of Circumstance redux, which is sort of a Cassidy redux. Bobby is on fire but the mix isn't kind to Jerry who starts off hot but ends up gasping for air in this mix.
Reviewer: Dylan M - - December 31, 2007
Subject: the saint isn't awful
First Saint Stephen since 78' is certainly not "horrible" like the last reviewer deemed it. it is also not uninspired.

The Grateful Dead arn't a 350 song juke box that can just bust out any song from any point in there career that flawlessly, despite having played it recently or being well rehersed.

This shows second set is outrageous. Starting with Miracle everything is sheer brilliance. Bertha is upbeat and similar to most early 80s renditions of this song. Jam out of Bertha into China Doll is mesmerizing, as is China Doll. Jerry is in top vocal form and remembering the lyrics!

Saint Steven isn't as good as early 70s renditions but i think it beats the hell out of any Donnafied version of the song. Its great to observe that even after a period of mass transition from 70s to 80s, the boys felt it nessesary to bring back this gem for 3 shows. This was the first. Thank god. Those who saw it are truley grateful.

Saint>Throwing Stones has a beautiful transition and keeps it melodic friendliness with plenty of audible Brent riffs and Phil bombs. Touch set closer is appropriate considering the last two songs and closes it nicley.

Not an ordinary show and certainly not uninspired. This was a period of musical experimentation for the boys and this show is proof that they break the show set structure from their ordinary process to something different, and special.
Reviewer: JamminJerome - - April 26, 2007
Subject: maybe the worst St. Stephen ever
Yeah, this St. Stephen is awful. I'm sure if I were there I would have had a different opinion. Heck, I probably would have peed my pants if I heard a Stephen in the 80s. Even if they played it on kazoos.

The rest of the show is OK. Uninspired, but not awful. The China>Rider will not disappoint.

Edit: I didn't realize it was the only China Doll>Drums. I wasn't expecting it, and when I searched it in Deadbase the 1st time, I only got that show...must have forgot to "reset." Still a good China Doll, though
Reviewer: EdgeHead - - April 25, 2007
Subject: not the only China Doll into Drums
China Doll>Drums: March 22, 1993 Omni.
Reviewer: majordomo - - November 1, 2006
Subject: high points
happy all saints day. was at poe's gravesite last night thinking back to this period for the good ole' grateful dead---phil read from the raven here in charm city in 1982---and i believe also provided a narrative of the sf quake of 1906 on this fall 83 swing in hartford.forget the wang dang here and go straight to boise 1 month earlier for a definitive version. love the china doll placement here before drums and not post space---whatever tune falls in this slot always gets stretched out nicely---see terrapin in the later period for this--stephen is ragged but right to my ears--the place must have levitated like hampton roads box of rains/dark stars.dig the drums during this period.a band beyond prescription!
Reviewer: SERN! - - October 25, 2006
Subject: You can View my backstage pass from this concert
Hey whats up So I was 8 years old and my biker uncle scores a bunch of backstage tickets to the dead. it was October 11, 1983 madison square garden BACK STAGE!
anyway if you go to my myspace page I scanned the ticket, Its available for you to check out! I got it framed in my living room, now that im 31 years old!
heres my myspace address

http://www.myspace.com/sernio1
Reviewer: mrbill - - April 17, 2006
Subject: Yikes!
It really pains me to say this, but this version of St Stephen is really bad. I suggest finding a nice early 70's rendition. Rest of the show isn't very good either. Dick didn't pick this for a reason. It's a bummer, but better to recognize it and appreciate other shows and move on.
Reviewer: metaldeadhead - - April 10, 2006
Subject: If you were there.
Oh my god the Garden was electric when they were being teased by what they thought was a Stephen jam,little did they know that they would break this song out for the first time in many years,(18) I think?If your not counting outside the US.,anyways the show was incredible the Miracle throwing stones wang dang jack straw,hell in bucket,johhny b goode encore.They simply rocked from start to finish,what else could you ask for in a Dead show?
Reviewer: grendelschoice - - August 11, 2005
Subject: Kinda had to be there
This was the first Stephen in 5 years, and from my vantage point in the 5th or 6th row, once those first notes were played, it was beside the point how well they did from there. Exact same thing happened to me (and all of us who were there) again in Hampton in 1986 when they pulled out the first Box of Rain in 14 years! Listen to either on tape or CD and you go, as Lisa Simpson might say, "Meh."

Still, this show is worth the DL if only for the intense energy of the crowd, and there are some fine moments--including that rush of madness at the first notes of Stephen.
Reviewer: merls - - August 11, 2005
Subject: n.y.c.
This recording proves the garden brings the best out of the Dead.Just returning from the mid west the band was reved up and ready to give there fans a treat.CHINA-RIDER shows they were tight and on the money,but when the first note to ST.STEPHEN was hit the show was brought to another level.Middle Village and Glendale on the floor sipping woof juice. R.I.P. OAKIE
Reviewer: Brother Esau77 - - March 20, 2005
Subject: Wang Dang Doodle
While The rest of this show is pretty good for the era, im surprised no one has mentioned that the Wang Dang Doodle this night was awful to say the least. Jerry was playing the song in totally the wrong key from the very beginning, and you can hear Bobby and Phil saying WTF with their instruments. When Bobby starts the verse it makes him sound off, When i first heard it i just sat there puzzled, wow this is really bad. Good thing is they picked it up after that and sounded good.
Reviewer: Brother Esau77 - - March 20, 2005
Subject: Wang Dang Doodle
While The rest of this show is pretty good for the era, im surprised no one has mentioned that the Wang Dang Doodle this night was awful to say the least. Jerry was playing the song in totally the wrong key from the very beginning, and you can hear Bobby and Phil saying WTF with their instruments. When Bobby starts the verse it makes him sound off, When i first heard it i just sat there puzzled, wow this is really bad. Good thing is they picked it up after that and sounded good. Brent's Keys are a little too high in the mix but overall not a bad sound
Reviewer: stealthhippy - - February 1, 2005
Subject: 5 stars?????
i was very disappointed after hearing this show...some great jams..BUT..jerry's voice was horrible..some of the song transitions were rcoky at best,some just plain sloppy..sound is so-so,not a crisp soundboard..and the st.stephen...???ok,but not great..just listen to the opening...3 stars at best.........
Reviewer: donnaruinedthe70s - - January 26, 2005
Subject: 83 was solid
great show overall, but not sure what "colonel" is referring to RE the stephen, granted i was not at this show. you cant even really here the crowd on this particular version. its a sbd, and the audible audience reaction is sparse at best. that said, at about 4:00 on the stephen, jerry pulls a kind little unique mini jam and shortly thereafter..... "can you answer?! yes i can!" sloppy transition into stones, though.
Reviewer: jorams - - November 8, 2004
Subject: Doesn't get much better
Doesn't get much better than this show. I was there. I hadn't seen the band in several years then but I had seen them many times since my first in 1971. Jerry sizzled but was perfectly fluid. But Bob was sizzling too. Listen to some out of this world rhythm guitar. First set is almost better than second and the second was the only time I heard St Stephen live and it was HOT. And by the way I think Day Job was one smoking piece. This show is one of the ones that tells you why Grateful Dead was the best rock 'n roll band ever. Put on your headphones and enjoy.
Reviewer: atrautweiler - - September 22, 2004
Subject: Or two...
more Stephens, Hartford and Marin of that year. I think the jam in Throwing Stones may be one of the best of the early arangements. A must have. I think everyone knew they sound checked the Stephen, still a awesome crowd response.
Reviewer: colonel - - September 10, 2004
Subject: St. Stephen
Sadly there would be only one more. The place was going crazy when they started it up. Goosebumps were flying. I had seen the boys entering a limo in NYC the year before and yelled out St.Stephen. Bill gave me the thumbs up before closing the door. Thought they would play it then.
Reviewer: GJR - - August 25, 2004
Subject: My first show...
The Garden was rockin'. Waves of powerful sound were washing out in all directions from the sound system as the people all sang along to St. Stephen. Everyone's first show is a 5-star.
Reviewer: OldHeadZimmer - - July 9, 2004
Subject: What is this world coming to? Reviewing
This was a great performance for many reasons - most obviously the Stephen. If you listen to a good Aud of the Stephen you will get the goosebumps. True - I saw a one legged man jump out of his wheelchair and dance the whole tune then sit down and cry. But why would someone be putting reviews about Jerry's dealer and of all God awful things - Day Job - in a review of this show?
Reviewer: staggerlee3269 - - June 24, 2004
Subject: St. Stephen
Jerry's dealer told me & my friend that he was going to break out Stephen again (1st time since 1-10-79)when we where in Richmond at the Hyatt...plus we heard them practicing Revolution that night too (played 2nd nite @ MSG)..... scoop...lol
Reviewer: dcain - - June 22, 2004
Subject: Day Job
Much maligned, this is a great canvas for Garcia, a Jeretically-designed cross between Deal and Don't Ease/U.S. Blues.

On this version, he is right on top of the melody. He builds some tension by throttling a couple of key notes, then swoops down on the chord changes, followed by a beautiful bend. The song being in its early stages of development, he only runs through it once. His fills, though, are also sublime.

Although many feel that this tune was a throwaway, a closer listen reveals a chord structure that offers Garcia a great opportunity to do what he does like no other: improvise melodically.
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